Episode 120: Integrative Physician Lisa Hunt, D.O., D.O.H.

Episode 120: Integrative Physician Lisa Hunt, D.O., D.O.H.

Overview

Lisa Hunt, D.O., D.O.H. is a practitioner at Holtorf Medical Group in El Segundo, CA. She specializes in anti-aging treatment, natural thyroid replacement, menopause/andropause therapy (including bioidentical hormone replacement), chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, strengthening the immune system, neurotransmitter analysis/replacement, and nutritional support guidance. Dr. Hunt is a graduate of Western University of Health Sciences and completed her residency at the San Joaquin General Hospital. She is board certified in both Family Medicine and Holistic and Integrative Medicine and brings with her over 20 years of experience as a family physician and medical director. Her mission is to build on every level of your health to achieve the best quality of life.

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Transcript

Lisa Hunt D.O. Dr. Holtorf Medical Group Lyme thyroid hormones anti-aging Uninvisible Pod

Lauren: All right guys, thank you so much for joining us. I am here today with someone very special, who I've been wanting to have on the show pretty much since before day one. This is Dr. Lisa Hunt from Holtorf Medical Group. Dr. Hunt, thank you so much for being on the show.

Dr. Hunt: Thank you for having me. What an honor. It’s been such an honor to be on your wellness journey.

Lauren: Oh, my gosh, thank you so much! Well, it's been an honor to be working with you. And now like three of my other friends are working with you. It's pretty awesome.

Dr. Hunt: And I'm so grateful. Truly grateful.

Lauren: Yeah. So we wanted to start at the beginning to give everyone a sense of what you do and who you are. Can you tell us if you have a personal connection to invisible illness, aside from your work as a practitioner?

Dr. Hunt: So, not me personally. But originally when I started practicing traditional allopathic family practice 25 years ago, I quickly learned that many of my patients were not being helped by traditional medicine or even being listened to.

I have never been one to simply mask existing symptoms and have always been one to ask appropriate questions, and wanted my patients to feel like they are being heard.

My focus has been getting to the root of the problem and focusing on solution based on the discovery of the root cause, thus restoring balance to one's life.

Lauren: Which is integrative medicine, right?

Dr. Hunt: Mm hmm.

Lauren: So is that how you found Holtorf Medical and got involved with Dr. Holtorf and everyone here? 

Dr. Hunt: Yes, I’d been a fan of Dr. Holtorf's for many years. I'd heard him talk at different conferences, and just really like how science-oriented he is. He reached out to me, and so I feel really honored to be here.

Lauren: That’s great. And what about your specialty as well, within this integrative functional medicine approach? Is your specialty more thyroid disorders and Lyme?

Dr. Hunt: We deal a lot with chronic underlying infections here. A lot of our specialty really is checking on detailed labs.

Lauren: That was a big thing when I first came here, too.

Dr. Hunt: We look really deep. Usually people end up with 30 vials of blood. I hear about it all the time! (laughs) 

Lauren: My thing is now, I go and get my my labs done and they're like, “Oh, only two vials for you.” (laughs)

Dr. Hunt: (laughs) Yay!

Lauren: It starts with a lot. I mean, I remember when I first came to you, when I'd just been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, and you were, like, "This is gonna be the hardest year of your life.” You were very straightforward about it. You weren't joking. But also, you were honest about it. And we were very direct in all of our approaches pretty much from that point onward, weren't we.

Dr. Hunt: Yeah.

I always want to instill hope in my patients. It’s not up to me to tell you that this can't be done. Because it can, a lot of times.

It's a lot of diligence and a lot of work on your own part. And to keep seeking answers yourself. My job as your physician is to empower you with knowledge so that you can decide what intuitively is best for you.

Lauren: Totally. One of the things that's always come up with us, too, is that I say to you, “Oh, I've been reading this book," or, “checking out this pathway.” And you're always super encouraging about stuff like that. 

Dr. Hunt: I love it! 

Lauren: Well, when we’re chronic illness patients, we become real students.

Dr. Hunt: And I love that, I want people to ask questions.

Lauren: Yeah. Which is awesome. And also, you are the person who introduced me to combo therapy for my thyroid. It was a really big deal, because all these allopathic doctors just hadn't gotten there with me. So that was really exciting.

Dr. Hunt: Yay! 

Lauren: So how are you balancing the occurrence of hypochondria with the reality of these “invisible” symptoms that we're hearing about from people?

Dr. Hunt: Well, I never make any assumptions about hypochondria as I assist patients on their journey to wellness. Each patient always receives my undivided attention, compassion and respect. All visits at Holtorf Medical Group are extended; each patient's initial office visit is scheduled for an hour. During this initial visit, I take a detailed history, and discuss issues important to each patient's care. Each patient’s second visit is also scheduled for an hour, where we review the appropriate lab tests and establish a unique treatment protocol for them.

Lauren: And a lot of supportive supplements and stuff in that protocol, which is great. I love hearing from doctors like you. Pretty much every practitioner I've had on the show, I’ve asked about hypochondria. And the very promising answer from literally everyone has been, “No. There’s always a problem. If someone says there's a problem, there’s a problem.” Which is great to hear how much you guys trust patients, because that's something we're really trying to figure out in our communications a lot of the time. So, what tests are you using first to determine the various conditions that people are coming into the office with here, and which are you finding among those conditions to be the most recurrent in your practice?

Dr. Hunt: So we do a number of different lab tests; we can do urine testing, serum testing, saliva testing. I kind of leave that up to the patient. I'll explain to them the different types of testing that are out there. But a lot of times we do try and work with patients’ insurance as far as labs, at least. So we do come back to serum testing, just because that's what most insurance companies will pay for. 

Lauren: When you say serum testing, you mean …

Dr. Hunt: Blood draw, yeah. Which tests are ordered are very individualized for each patient. For example, we may consider checking immune system dysfunction markers, food intolerances, hormone levels, heavy metal levels, nutrient levels, underlying infectious etiologies. We really strive here to do a comprehensive workup.

Lauren: So when you're doing that, are you finding … because I know that you really specialize in thyroid and Lyme, for example … are there specific tests, say for Lyme, that are going to be more accurate than other tests that people might know about — so that you could educate our patients?

Dr. Hunt: Yeah. So if people have insurance, we'll start with the western blot for Quest; we'll also get the co-infections through Quest. However, there are a lot more companies that are up-and-coming that are doing PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing, like MDL, where we can do serum MDL testing, Also, we're now offering the Prime Spot, where they will actually quantify the DNA of the organisms that they test for. Those are some of the newer up-and-coming tests. 

Lauren: So if someone comes in and they're showing all the signs for Lyme, then you'll probably recommend more in-depth testing, so we know exactly where the levels are at, right?

Dr. Hunt: Yeah. And then with Lyme, we're always going to want to look at immune dysfunction. So checking for the C4A protein coding gene, the human transfer growth factor beta.

Lauren: What does all this mean for people who are tuning in … like, what is human transfer growth?

Dr. Hunt:  So we're trying to measure the T20H2.2 of the immune system. Those are markers for each of those sides of the immune system, so that we can balance that. And ultimately, with any of these chronic infections, we want to strengthen the immune system, so that patients can overcome that.

Lauren: That's really cool. I know there are also a lot of different treatment options, whether someone has Lyme or whether they're dealing with a thyroid autoimmune, like I am. Are you finding that there are maybe one of the more popular treatments now for these particular conditions? Is it combo therapy for thyroid and SOT for Lyme? Where are your patients going the most right now?

Dr. Hunt: So, I usually want to present the different types of treatment to the patient, once we get to that stage.

I try and give them as much information as possible about each treatment, so that they can make the best decision for themselves.

We do do a lot of immune modulating — the Esoteric Connective Tissue Therapy is antisense therapy, which works on the genetic replication sequence of the organism, the target organism, so that's an option as well. Antibiotics are still an option, if that's what resonates with the patient. I'm not opposed to that. So we just start where the patient is. 

Lauren: We’ve had long discussions about antibiotics! It's like a double-edged sword really, right. Because some people need them — and they can also cause damage. But we have nothing against them ultimately, right? 

Dr. Hunt: Right.

Lauren: So, I know that you mentioned that you spend a lot of time with patients at their first visit and follow-up visit. I've always felt like I had a ton of time with you. So how are you addressing a lot of patients feeling by the time they come to you … they’ve probably been to a lot of practitioners — traditional allopathic medicine  — and they're probably feeling really frustrated and feeling like they're shuttled from specialist to specialist. Has that affected your level of empathy and the way in which you exercise your bedside manner, if you will? Has that impacted the way that you really aim to treat your patients?

Dr. Hunt: Yes, and I really do enjoy spending time with my patients. I really want to take the time to just listen, to hear them out, to hear what they're experiencing to help guide us in what we need to do next. I always want them to feel welcome at the office, with compassion. I want them to feel that we are in the trenches with them, trying to help them. I've always done my best, or utmost, to make sure that they feel like they're being treated as a human being, and not a disease process.

Lauren: I think that's the big difference, though, isn't it. It's that a lot of people have gone from feeling like a disease process.

Dr. Hunt: Right, and I don't want anybody to feel that way.

Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think you guys definitely do a good job of it here. And certainly you've been very open, too … like, I bring up my mom to all my appointments

Dr. Hunt: And I love your mom!

Lauren: She’s like a minor celebrity here. (laughs) But it's great because you've been so open to my coming to you with questions, with information. You've never said no to me about stuff, which is really cool. 

Dr. Hunt: ...

No, I love it when people bring their family members or their spouses, because I want us all to be in this journey together.

Lauren: Yeah, totally. But you have that family approach. And I think that's something that really sets the treatment apart for me. And it's a lot of the reason why I've sent a lot of friends here, because I've been, like, you need to talk to someone who is going to look at the whole picture here, too. So, does it make a difference if a patient is suffering from “invisible illness”, which can be a myriad list here we’re looking at with chronic illness and invisible illness. Does it make a difference if someone's living with something like that, or not — in terms of how you administer care? Or it's dependent on what they've got going on and you'll target based on that?

Dr. Hunt: It's really important to understand that a patient's wellness is multi-factorial, and requires a state of balance of several factors. I strive through integration of cutting-edge treatment measures designed to benefit the mind, body and spirit to empower patients and their journey towards wellness. Each patient deserves their own unique prescription for care, as no two person's needs are the same. 

Lauren: You couldn't have said it better! So what are your thoughts … this is the big can of worms I like to open in interviews like this, especially talking to someone like you, who's an integrative practitioner. What are your thoughts on the US system with regard to work/life balance? We're going to start there, we'll get into healthcare in a minute! But in terms of the way our bodies are expected to function in the world, is our employment and work system working for us? Or is it making people sick? 

Dr. Hunt: Well, I mean, you know, this … approximately two-thirds of workers these days experience burnout symptoms. For example, they have anxiety, depression, exhaustion both physical and emotional, sleep impairment, brain fog, weakened immune system. And they have less social support at work, as well as more job strain. Though burnout is not an official medical diagnosis in the US, in several European countries, it is considered an occupational disease. 

Lauren: Oh, wow, I didn't know that

Dr. Hunt: And there's several real physiological markers of burnout. For example, increased markers of inflammation, increased hemoglobin AIC, abnormal cortisol levels.

Lauren: Interesting. And you always test those on me, too. Hello! 

Dr. Hunt: And, you know, the physical and mental implications of burnout can have serious consequences — such as high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, osteoporosis. In addition, potential causes of burnout are things like technology which has made it easier to be accessible anytime. You're always on; you're never allowed to be off.

Lauren: I’m literally holding my cell phone during this interview!

Dr. Hunt: And people can't say no, because they're so worried about disappointing people, or the anxiety of under-performance. Or people are working in toxic work environments; they’re not being treated fairly at work, the workload’s unmanageable, their roles aren't defined, there's lack of communication. There's unreasonable time pressures. Plus, people are on their screens all the time. And they're constantly multi-tasking.

I mean, when do you ever get to do one thing at a time anymore?

Lauren: Oh, I was literally crying on the phone to one of my friends about this the other day, because I was like, “How can you not just do one thing and do it well?” It's really frustrating. And even doctors, the ones who are taking care of us … you have to do more … everyone’s supposed to write a book, or be published in a medical journal. It’s not enough to just be a good practitioner anymore, either. The pressures are unbelievable. How do you think we find a balance again in all of this?

Dr. Hunt: Well, we have to make time for that. I mean, it has to be something on your calendar, where you make time for you. It's not gonna happen otherwise.

Lauren: Literally, I've had that realization, several times. And I feel like I was reminded, again … I had a hard reminder again, recently … to just schedule meditation, to schedule rest, in the diary — because otherwise it just doesn't get done.

Dr. Hunt: No, I agree. And I think people that have a morning routine are more likely to accomplish it, than if we leave it till we're exhausted at the end of our day. So meditation in the morning, spending that time just for you to be present in the moment before you start your day. Another thing that I find really useful is keeping a gratitude journal. Do you do that?

Lauren: I don't, but I have at times. But I do know that it's a practice that a lot of people claim is transformative.

Dr. Hunt: Well, we forget all the wonderful things that happen in our lives if we don't write them down. You know, we get stuck in the trenches when we're doing our day-to-day thing. That's something I really do pride myself on doing.

Lauren: Even … like a gratitude journal, I feel like there's a really great tip that I've seen people do toward the end of the year, where they're going, we're going to make new year's resolutions. And it's having a little jar, and anything great that happens you write it down and you throw it in the jar. At the end of the year, or whenever you need a pick-me-up, you can read them. You can do the same with a journal and flip through.

Dr. Hunt: Yeah, but I think we need to be cognizant of that. Because we all have wonderful things happening in our lives.

Lauren: Yeah, totally. But I think you're right … a morning routine is a big way to get in control of it, and putting it in the schedule. And it's great to hear a practitioner of medicine talk about whole body/whole personhood in that way, too. Which is huge. So we know that our work/life balance is not ideal. What about the health care system? Is the health care system helping us or hindering us at this point?

Dr. Hunt: Well, one of the things I wanted to address is … my husband's in traditional allopathic medicine, and the patients that he serves wouldn't get help any other way. So thankfully, there is a system in place so that these people can get some help. And they're doing an amazing job with the resources that they have.

I think sometimes in functional medicine, we get so focused on what the traditional standard isn't doing. But they're doing a great job for the people that are completely underserved.

Lauren: That’s a really good point. Yeah, totally. Are there ways in which you could realistically see the healthcare system being improved so that patients didn't feel like they were at the end of their rope by the time they get to you, or so that they felt that they had more access to information and treatment options?

Dr. Hunt: Well, I think the biggest thing in the traditional model is that patients and physicians are limited with time. So I'm really grateful to be afforded an hour for my first and second appointment with patients. That's something I would love to see get into the traditional model, irregardless of payment. And then also, I really think that the traditional model fails in terms of nutritional guidance, which I think is something that we really strive to work with here. So that would be another improvement. Just focusing on the day-to-day things like our nutrition being nutrient-dense, getting enough hydration, getting enough rest at night.

Lauren: Well, and also with regard to nutrition … and I've learned this since working with you … that every body is different, that the traditional food pyramid isn't going to work for some people. It should be moved around in most cases! But really, that different elimination diets, different dietary approaches, are going to help people in different ways. And then using supplements to help up certain vitamins, and things like that. There would be insurance companies, for example, that would come into this conversation and say, “Yeah, but we let doctors refer to dieticians." What's wrong with that approach being a one-size fits all, versus individualizing? Are there certain things that you would recommend specifically in terms of nutrition that would immediately be able to help people reduce inflammation?

Dr. Hunt: Well, to me, I always try and tell people about nutrient density. Your fruits and vegetables are going to give you your vitamins and minerals. So start with that. And then of course, lean proteins are important. Nuts and seeds; making sure you're getting enough fiber. So, I don't ever try to pigeonhole anyone into any specific thing, or say this food is absolutely … other than refined, processed stuff that we all need to get rid of …

Lauren: White things.

Dr. Hunt: Right. I don't forbid any food, if it's nutrient- dense.

Lauren: Right. What about gluten? Is gluten the devil? (laughs)

Dr. Hunt: I know that gluten has become a super villain of nutrition in the past few years. And I'm not saying that you should maximize gluten in your diet at all. But the one thing you do need to remove from your diet, like we just talked about, is anything white and processed.

Lauren: That probably has to do a lot with access in this country, too, right? That a lot of the gluten that people would have access to is highly processed by the time they get it.

Dr. Hunt: We've got to remember that some gluten-containing foods contain health-promoting parts, like prebiotic fiber that's for your healthy microbiome. And not everybody has a sensitivity or intolerance to gluten. Thus, I like to keep it individualized. I like to test for it first. And also just ask people if they have symptoms with gluten. Is it affecting their gut? Is it causing abdominal bloating? Is it acting as an irritant to their gut, leading to inflammation or leading to brain fog? Or is it affecting their behaviors? Another thing that we have to keep in mind … it depends on how gluten is being prepared. There are certain factors in regard to its digestibility. Staying away from white, refined bleached flour, sometimes people can tolerate the whole wheat organic flour. And it also depends on how long the gluten is fermented. 

Lauren: Oh, wow. So maybe if you're making your own bread at home, you have more control over that.

Dr. Hunt: Right. So we just have to keep in mind that simply swapping gluten-containing foods for processed foods labeled as gluten-free does not improve diet quality or decrease inflammation.

Lauren: That’s a really, really good point, just being much more mindful. It's not that gluten is the devil, but it's that process is the devil, isn't it. Just reducing process as much as possible. I think that's a really, really important thing for people to remember. So if people are making these lifestyle changes — whether it's dietary, whether it's exercise, something like that — does a diagnosis mean that people who are making these changes should up-end their lives entirely? Can they eat a doughnut once in a while? Or not go for that run today? How disciplined do people have to be? Does it depend on the stage of disease they’re at?

Dr. Hunt: ...

I really believe one's journey to wellness is all about appropriate balance, and each person's road to recovery is uniquely their own.

So, some people may be able to get away with an occasional food group that isn't good for necessarily everybody, or may not need to exercise daily. And other people may, to feel their best. We really have to individualize that.

Lauren: If we've learned anything from this conversation, it's that there is no one-size-fits-all for any of this, is there. And it's probably pretty dangerous, actually, to take the one-size-fits-all approach. I mean, it's the thing that's getting us in trouble in the health care system, right? So to say that everyone needs to be keto, or everyone needs to be doing HIIT exercises, or whatever … none of that's gonna work for everyone all the time.

Dr. Hunt: Right. And with chronic illness, we're not gonna be starting with HIIT exercises. We’re gonna be starting with … can you take a nice, gentle walk outside?

Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. And that gentle approach … I think a lot of patients, again … that patient burnout thing … they come to you, and they've been to everyone, and they're frustrated, and actually taking a gentle approach might not be the first thought, in terms of getting well. But sometimes it can be the most effective. I feel like there were points in my journey with you, especially early on, where it didn't necessarily feel gentle when I started combo therapy or when I started LDN. But these things, eventually, they sort of even things out so that your whole system becomes more gentle in a way, right? You go from haywire to more calm, less inflammation. So I'm wondering if you have tips for people who maybe suspect they have something off. Maybe they've got a diagnosis, maybe they don’t. What would you recommend for patients who are trying to figure it out, and who haven't hit on the right formula yet?

Dr. Hunt: So the first thing, if I would make a recommendation, I would say … you're not in this journey on your own. So make an appointment with an integrative or functional medicine provider for the appropriate testing, so you can get to the root of what's going on. I would also keep a nutrition log, to see if you can associate any of your symptoms with any of the foods you're actually consuming. Because nutrition is a very important part of how we feel and care for our bodies. And like I said before, it's also really important to nourish your body with nutrient-dense foods, and making sure that you're adequately hydrated. And then the last thing I would say … sleep is so important for your overall health.

Lauren: Yeah, this is the first time we're talking about that, actually, but that's been a big thing.

Dr. Hunt: Yeah. So make sure you're practicing good sleep hygiene.

Lauren: What does that look like?

Dr. Hunt: Well, you want to get off your electronics an hour or two before bed. There are special screens you can put on your computer several hours before you go to bed.

Lauren: Putting on blue light glasses.

Dr. Hunt: Yeah, there are special glasses you can wear. Making sure your bedroom is completely dark. Putting up blackout shades. 

Lauren: Or wearing an eye shade or something. Is sleep hygiene also related to trying to go to sleep at the same time, and waking up around the same time every day, too, to keep the rhythm?

Dr. Hunt: Yes. 

Lauren: Right. So all of those factors, and really finding rest. I feel like there are gonna be people who are tuning in who are going to be, like, oh, great. I don't have enough hours in the day. And now I need to take an extra hour to get ready for bed. And I have to spend an extra hour in the morning centering myself. How can people figure that out? And fit that in? Is it about just prioritizing it — because they're probably feeling overwhelmed and not really looking at the bigger picture?

Dr. Hunt: It’s definitely prioritizing, but you're gonna feel so much better if you do those things. So it's only going to give you incentive to push forward.

Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's discipline, isn't it. It's really about going, like, fundamentally, what I'm doing now isn't working, Even if you're dealing with something like mild brain fog that maybe isn't related to another chronic illness yet. You know, if it's an early onset symptom or something. It's just about creating that structure for yourself, isn't it. It's hard. It's hard to be disciplined all the time. But that's exactly why we have doctors like you to remind us, right!

Dr. Hunt: ...

It’s all about you taking care of you. You have to prioritize yourself.

You can't help anybody else if you're not taking care of yourself.

Lauren: Yeah, absolutely. I actually wouldn't mind digging a little more into your particular specialties, too, and finding out more if someone is like I was before I came to you. Or like some of my friends, before they've come to you … and maybe don't even have the diagnosis, or are in the early stages, particularly with thyroid and with Lyme. What would be the things that you would immediately recommend for people — aside from the labs that we talked about? Is it, start doing research? Is it, change your diet right away?

Dr. Hunt: It’s all based on the history that I'm taking. It's going to be very individualized; it's not going to be any kind of one-size-fits-all. So at their initial visit, I am taking a nutrition history. We have a 16-page questionnaire that people have to fill out. 

Lauren: I don't remember that! It was so long ago!

Dr. Hunt: Questions about each hormone group, questions about chronic illness. I mean, it's all there. So we're gonna go through that in detail. And then based on the information I find on that, I may make some recommendations. Also, a lot of people have already been to multiple physicians before they come here. 

Lauren: So they’ve got labs to show you.

Dr. Hunt: Yes, tons of labs. So we go through those if they have them.

Lauren: So everyone is really going to be different. And you guys also offer in-office treatments, like IV treatments and things like that, too. There's a lot of stuff that people can do in-office here, so that you don't have to run around extra to get everything done. And what about for people who want to get heavy metals testing, for instance … I know that there are lots of different approaches. What's your favorite approach?

Dr. Hunt: We have an OligoScanner, which is photo spectrometry that does different calculations through your hand, and it's actually very accurate. That'll pick up heavy metals, and we can go over those results with people right away.

Lauren: Yeah, we did that actually. And it's really interesting, because it's totally painless. It's not like you have to get pricked with a needle. 

Dr. Hunt: But we do need your blood type for that.

Lauren: That’s right. We did need that. I remember we double-checked what my blood type was. So that's a really great way to do it. But not every office that people are going to go to are going to have things like that.

Dr. Hunt: We also do three thyroid tests on your first visit. We do the urine iodine, and we do the thyroid reflex, and then we also do the basal metabolic rate. So we're tagging your thyroid with those three numbers, before we even get your blood work back. 

Lauren: Okay, so that's a great way for people to get a baseline and understand where they're at. And for you to see the picture and go, like, okay, we need to go maybe in this direction, that direction. I'm just so honored to work with you and to have you on the show today to talk about all this stuff. Because you're such a wealth of knowledge. I'm sure there are gonna be a lot of people hearing some of this scientific jargon. Some people are gonna freak out; some people are gonna geek out. I'm definitely on the geeky side. And for people who are freaking out about that, can you offer them any words of wisdom in terms of making all of this information more approachable? Is it about finding a practitioner who can help you separate the wheat from the chaff?

Dr. Hunt: Well, there's a lot of information on our website, too. There's tons of clinical studies on there. Just a wealth of information to go to. Not just our website, but a lot of functional medicine doctors have a wealth of information on their websites that people can go to.

Lauren: And will have information that a traditional allopathic doctor might not be giving you as well.

Dr. Hunt: ...

And it's a team approach.

I always say, if God wanted one of us on this earth, he would only have made one of us. But there's all of us. So we're all here to work together and serve one another, however we can. 

Lauren: Totally. Well, I think that pretty much wraps up our interview today. Thank you so much for being on the show. It's such a pleasure to have you on.

Dr. Hunt: It’s such an honor. Thank you so much for asking me! I truly am grateful.

Lauren: Oh my gosh, I’ve been wanting to do this for over a year now. So it's really very, very exciting for me. Especially, I think, because a huge portion of the chronic illness population is women, too. And having a female practitioner who gets that, and who also understands what that struggle is like, when you're already struggling with being listened to, is extremely comforting. So thanks so much for being on the show, Dr. Hunt. 

Dr. Hunt: Thank you again.

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